I had so many interesting comments on
A Home For Humankind, that I just wanted to post them. They were continuing, buried in the clutter here, and just deserve recognition: (The links are 'today's reading'. )
Mel: Good guestions to have in my head for Yoga this am....where could enlightened kindness take our spirit....if the world's people aren't ready to make it so....at least I can go there for myself. Knowing the need for unity itself is the first step.......Thank you Bonita. You are just sooo Wonderful.
Bubbie Dear: I believe the deeper wound can only be understood by studying the role evil has played in being human. I have had an interest in this subject for many years. We too often put evil into a mythological category where it seems beyond rational inquiry. I'm presently halfway through an excellent book on the topic by Lance Morrow. You may remember his essays in Time magazine. Finally, his book is out and it is called
Evil: An Investigation.
Bonita: Bubbie Dear, acquiring a scientific understanding of evil helps to de-mystify it, so we know what we are up against. The thought: KNOW thy enemy still holds true. I'll look for the book at the library, but also hope to find Richard Dawkins
A Devil's Chaplain -- both books are intensly thought provoking.
http://www.2think.org/ http://eyeonbooks.com/ibp.php?ISBN=0465047548georgewesley: From a Planet Baha'i article -- "'Abdu'l-Bahá spoke of good as being a positive existence, like the light that streams from the sun, and evil as being a lack or an absence of that light, as darkness is what happens when there is no light. Darkness is not an existing thing. It is real, but its reality is more of a 'negative existence', and emptiness, a want of light. Evil is what happens when good is lacking."
http://www.planetbahai.org/cgi-bin/articles.pl?article=226Darkness is nothing to be afraid of. I just turn on the light.
Bubbie Dear: Thanks for the links!
I listened to both interviews on evil. The analogy you give to explain evil is a classical definition that is somewhat like Newton's laws of physics. These Newtonian laws apply only up to a certain point. It took an Einstein to explain the rest.
There will always be simple definitions of evil. My guess is that anyone who can be satisfied with the explanation that evil is just the absence of good will never be motivated to do the hard research like your friend Dan Siegel, who is going in a direction that I believe will give us serious clues as to why evil can take a hold. He writes: "A lower mode of processing can occur which involves a blockage of the higher regions from coordinating together with the lower ones. In this 'low road,' the mind becomes inflexible and impulsively reactive without the benefit of self-reflection or empathic understanding."
Lance Morrow says: "There are, however, no evilologists; the study of evil is not a scientific discipline, but rather a tabloid branch of the humanities..." He goes on to say that "The idea of evil has to be rethought...under new conditions. A lively awareness of evil, once part of any healthy mind, must be re-installed in the consciousness of the West. Without an awareness of evil, people become confused; they fail to anticipate its ruthless possibilities."
He adds: "The task is to recognize evil for what it is, and yet to respond to it with discernment." "Evil appears in an immense and subtle variety of forms---including, sometimes, the form of apparent good."
georgewesley: What is exciting about the work of Dan Siegel is that it clearly argues for a way of parenting that inoculates young children against hardship, stress, and even trauma and ensures that when they grown up and are parenting their own children they will not be inclined to the kind of "low road" behavior that is so damaging, so "evil."
http://www.drdansiegel.com/Siegel.IN.pdf"Dr Siegel...focuses on how the development of individuals, families and communities can be enhanced by examining the interface of human relationships and basic biological processes."
"His book with Mary Hartzell, M.Ed., Parenting from the Inside Out: How a Deeper Self-Understanding Can Help You Raise Children Who Thrive (2003) explores the application of this newly emerging view of the mind, the brain, and human relationships."
http://www.drdansiegel.com/People who have survived terrible evil have done so not by focusing on "evil's ruthless possibilities" but on good's pure simplicity. The former has us nervously hand-wringing and the latter leaves us calm and centered, at peace with a world in cataclysmic transition.
Bubbie Dear: If any group of people focused on the good's pure simplicity, it was the 5000 Tibetan monks who were butchered by the Chinese. They lost their monastery and their famed leader now preaches peace from India.
But now, the Dalai Lama has started to rethink his position, saying: "Terrorism is the worst kind of violence, so we have to check it, we have to take countermeasures."
When the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader and one of the world's leading nonviolence advocates, suggests that terrorism might require a violent response, I can't help but think that the topic of evil has just moved from pleasant thoughts of love to a more complex response.
Yes, it involves some hand-wringing. An investigation of evil requires responsible discernment and the especially hard task of figuring out how WE have contributed to the problem.
Lance Morrow writes: "Each side in a war always claims to be defending the right. Each side always conceives itself to be the injured party. Each side represents itself as the Good engaged in combat against the Evil. In the Balkans, a region suffused with an atmosphere of evil, all parties---Serbs, Croats, Muslims, and subsidiary players---present themselves as victims of the others' evil."
And...What is the struggle betweeen Islamist terrorism and Western secular industrial democracy except the confrontation of incompatible ideas of good and evil?
I believe we must do some hand-wringing if for no better reason than it starts us thinking about how to properly conduct our lives in a very complex world.
georgewesley: The subject of evil is clearly an issue you have given a lot of careful thought to and for which you have strong feelings. Your comments expand the scope of the discussion considerably, however, to include the subjects of pacifism and nonviolence and evil at an institutional rather than personal level.
I am not a pacifist. I believe in the right to self-defense which can include acts of violence. But please note I am speaking of a situation of personal safety. My comments above about enduring evil were intended to address the responses of individuals that contribute to their mental health and resiliency in the face of evil.
Safety and justice for all and peace in the world involves institutional response. It is my contention as a Baha'i that all institutional responses to evil in the world are ultimately doomed to failure without unity, and that unity must be spiritual and not just political.
I share Morrow's revulsion and yours at what was the situation in the Balkans in the 1990s. I am no more an advocate for Western secular industrial democracy than I am for Islamist terrorism. And I do try to take myself into account each day as to how I may have through my personal actions contributed to evil (darkness) in the world.
Bubbie Dear: I'm hopeful that in our heart of hearts, Wes, you and I are in agreement about evil whether it is at a personal or collective level. And, when Bonita asks "Is it possible to address our deeper connections...?" I, too, share your instinct that spiritual unity is the key. It's a matter of getting rid of the clutter.